Wow! VERY disappointed. Was hoping for better

Would you try another book from The Great Courses and/or Professor Bart D. Ehrman?

Yes to the great courses - in fact, I have listened to several and have several more in my wishlist. My reviews of them have been favorable.

No to Ehrman. He is too subjective and far and away too repetitive. His theological, ideological and historical perspectives could have been stated in about half the time, which would make the actual material only take 1/4 of the time recorded.

In other words, he is awfully wrapped up in his own views and his (almost arrogant) take on history the early church and Christianity.

I understand that the church and Christianity was a theological and spiritual evolutionary process. There are certain paths taken that could have gone another direction - so state it once and move on. Not everyone is an impressionable, malleable college freshman who needs to be convinced that Prof. Ehrman's understanding is the only correct one.

What was the most interesting aspect of this story? The least interesting?

Please, Modern scholar - stop this man before he teaches again!

What three words best describe Professor Bart D. Ehrman’s voice?

understandable, tolerable and average

If this book were a movie would you go see it?

No - it would make a lousy movie - but the biased take is just fanciful enough to make it as a History Channel 'documentary'

Any additional comments?

Honestly - I cannot recommend this book to Christians, agnostics or atheists. It is so biased toward his 'Historical Jesus' claims that the authority or genuineness of any writings from the Church Fathers cannot come through untarnished.

Overall, I thought this was one of the worst Modern Scholar lectures I have ever listened to and I have listened to a lot from them.

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Helpful, biased, informative, broad

I'm impressed with Ehrman's breadth, but his depth is lacking. He manages to give an overview of a vast range of topics, but he often selects narrow possibilities and makes them probabilities and then builds whole theories on them, without properly considering other options or acknowledging the potential flaws in his conclusions. But overall I enjoyed hearing his insights into the writings of the earliest Apostolic fathers and their impact on the development of early Christianity.

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Typical Ehrmanish account of the Apostolic Fathers

Would you try another book from The Great Courses and/or Professor Bart D. Ehrman?

Definitely yes. I have tried a few Great Courses and found them to be very interesting and informative. I have read or listened almost all prof. Ehrman's popular books. At this point it feels that a lot of what he teaches is just presented in new packaging.

What aspect of Professor Bart D. Ehrman’s performance would you have changed?

I think he sometimes fall over his words and begins to 'uhm' especially when he says something that might be a bit controversial. It could be that speaking to an imaginative crowd could enhance his uncertainty.

Was After the New Testament: The Writings of the Apostolic Fathers worth the listening time?

Yes, though a lot seems to be ideas that I have come across in some of his other works. I hoped to learn more about the Apostolic Fathers than the brief summaries he would give of each book. That said, there are some very interesting comments and facts that made it worthwhile.

Any additional comments?

While not the best Great Courses lectures series, it is well worth the time to listen to.

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Academically sterile and vague treatment of Christianity

As the title of my review states, this treatment of the early Christian church is vague and excludes common acceptances of doctrine and protocol doctrine. For example, he claims that Jesus was a follower of John the Baptist which is why he was baptized and this is just not supported by the Bible nor how any Christian denomination believes that relationship. There are so many statements that go completely against what is commonly believed and every vague statement makes it sound like these are facts and that the beliefs are in error. This is not a good course for a believer who wants a primer on the early church.

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Intriguing and engaging

I found this lecture series to be a really helpful guide into early Christianity in terms of development of doctrine, hierarchy, and the rise of orthodoxy. While he may challenge certain people's faith through the lecture, I think the work is in the end a growing experience for both the believer and nonbeliever.

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Very interesting topic, professor lacked

In comparison to other Great Courses I have listened to, I think that the Teaching Company could have found someone to do a better job. Not that Prof. Ehrman did a poor job - far from it! But performance was not outstanding, which I understood to be the main objective of the "great" courses.

He is extremely knowledgeable and does a great job of communicating many of the interesting relationships and points of significance in the documents.

However, he came across as very proud; quite puffed up, like so many academics, about himself and his interpretation of the ancient writing, which is so far superior to that of any to come before him. This, to me, took away from the content. Pity.

I may just have an allergy to inflated academics...so take what I say with a grain of salt.

Overall, good job!

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I would like my money back if I can't download thi

What did you love best about After the New Testament: The Writings of the Apostolic Fathers?

Who knows??? Audible won't download it.

What was one of the most memorable moments of After the New Testament: The Writings of the Apostolic Fathers?

When will you download it?

Which character – as performed by Professor Bart D. Ehrman – was your favorite?

You should not sell something that can't be downloaded properly

Any additional comments?

Anyone else have this problem???

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Erudite, Understandable & Informative

This is a fantastic introduction to the world, teachings, development and controversy surrounding the teachings of the Apostolic Fathers. Ehrman is very adept at condensing and delivering complex scenarios, personalities, doctrines, and historical situations.

Bart Ehrman at his best

I am a Christian, and I love listening to Bart Ehrman despite his agnostic bend. He is a grade-A scholar of Christian antiquity and more. He is enthusiastic, compelling, and presents his lectures in a way that is easy to understand and appreciate. The only complaints that I have had about his approach did not occur in this lecture series, which is his treatment of the supernatural (claiming that a historian can accept miracles or supernatural events the way a naturalist or scientist cannot, but in the same breath saying that they can’t be considered because there’s nothing to compare them to). Highly recommend this lecture series. Highly educational. I’ve already ordered his translation of the apostolic fathers, volumes one and two.

Ignatius was an ______! I learned so much!

I always love to listen to Bart. He brings stodgy stories to life and makes them interesting.