This week we sit down with the inimitable Lee and Kate Tiernan, the creative force behind F.K.A. Black Axe Mangal—the boundary-pushing, heavy metal, nose-to-tail hotspot that changed London dining and earned cult status around the world.

They talk us through the BAM origin story, from their formative years at St. John to opening one of the most chaotic and exciting restaurants in London. We hear about the pop-ups that reignited Lee’s love for cooking, but not before the longest queue in Copenhagen nearly finished him.

There’s also tales of wild nights with Matty Matheson, getting stoned with Action Bronson, Cooking for Anthony Bourdain, bone marrow tributes to Fergus Henderson, banning the rudest customer they ever had (who happens to be a celebrity) and Lee’s unapologetic love for Domino’s. Plus: blue cheese handkerchiefs at El Bulli, bartering meals for socket repairs, and why sometimes the best thing you can eat is your mum’s ratatouille after being deported from Brazil.

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