Episodes

  • Double Trouble: The Nuxt Surprise (with Daniel Roe)

    Double Trouble: The Nuxt Surprise (with Daniel Roe)
    Jun 15 2025

    Big news in the Nuxt ecosystem. While you out there already know what has been announced - some of us didn't. Luckily, Daniel Roe, Head of the Nuxt team joins this DejaVue episode and discusses the highly anticipated "double trouble": Not one, but two major versions for Nuxt are on the horizon.
    After over a year of delays, Daniel reveals the strategic decision to release Nuxt 4 in less than a month from now, followed by Nuxt 5 which will include the long-awaited Nitro 3 integration and significant Vite improvements.
    The episode covers the smooth migration experience early adopters reported already, the philosophy behind careful breaking changes, and how the team plans to maintain a yearly major release cycle moving forward.

    Enjoy the Episode!

    Our Guest

    Daniel Roe

    • Bluesky
    • Web
    • YouTube
    • Twitch

    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (01:19) - The big topic
    • (02:41) - What are the release plans?
    • (06:47) - Two major versions soon?
    • (09:28) - Early adopters of compatibilityVersion 4
    • (11:56) - Depending on other dependencies and versions bumps
    • (13:45) - Is bumping the minimum Node version a breaking change?
    • (16:33) - A Quick Nitro TL;DR
    • (20:46) - Nitro in other frameworks
    • (25:20) - Why Nuxt 4 now?
    • (28:41) - LTS support Plans
    • (29:53) - Nuxt Bridge
    • (31:46) - Release Dates and skipping Nuxt 4 altogether
    • (33:14) - We need Release names!
    • (35:53) - Release Dates for Nuxt 4 and 5
    • (40:00) - Wrapping Up


    Links and Resources


    • Roadmap to v4 blog post
    • DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe)
    • DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe)
    • DejaVue #E013 - The Road to Nuxt 4 (with Daniel Roe)
    • Daniel's PR migrating Elk
    • Nuxt 4 Migration Guide
    • DejaVue #E003 - Nitro: The Next Generation Server Toolkit
    • Srvx
    • Michael's Nuxt Release Date Comic
    • Alex' Nuxt 4/5 video


    Your Hosts

    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    41 mins
  • The History of Nuxt and NuxtLabs (with Sébastien Chopin)

    The History of Nuxt and NuxtLabs (with Sébastien Chopin)
    Jun 5 2025

    Join Alex and Michael with special guest Sébastien Chopin, creator of Nuxt.js and CEO of NuxtLabs, to learn more about the origins and evolution of the Vue-based meta framework. Sébastien shares valuable lessons from open source, how he came to create Nuxt.js in the first place and which challenges came with it.

    In the second part of the episode, they cover Sébastien's company NuxtLabs - from its inception over to taking Venture Capital and products, such as NuxtHub or Nuxt UI Pro.

    Eventually, the NuxtLabs CEO also outlines how they handle sponsorships of maintainers, and what the future holds for Nuxt and NuxtLabs.

    Enjoy the Episode!


    Our Guest

    Sébastien Chopin

    • NuxtLabs
    • Nuxt
    • Personal Website
    • Bluesky


    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (01:16) - How did you get into programming?
    • (04:45) - The birth of Nuxt.js
    • (07:43) - The Elevator Pitch for Nuxt
    • (10:16) - When not to use Nuxt
    • (11:20) - Nuxt as Multi Bundler Framework
    • (12:37) - How does Nuxt scale (in Enterprise)?
    • (16:04) - Lessons Learned from building Nuxt
    • (19:47) - How to compare frameworks fairly?
    • (23:20) - Frameworks converging
    • (24:22) - Nuxt.js supporting React?
    • (29:06) - The creation of NuxtLabs
    • (33:50) - Products of NuxtLabs
    • (37:11) - Why going all in on Cloudflare for NuxtHub
    • (41:50) - Vite Environment API
    • (45:34) - The difference between Nuxt and NuxtLabs
    • (51:56) - Is Nuxt a VC-backed framework?
    • (53:51) - Sponsoring Core Maintainers
    • (56:07) - Freemium in Nuxt
    • (57:06) - Sneak Peek of the NuxtLabs Roadmap
    • (59:51) - Where can people find you?


    Links and Resources


    • Nuxt
    • Intro to Nuxt Layers
    • Nitro
    • Reactivue
    • inclusion-vapor
    • DejaVue #E044 - Our Predictions for Vue and Nuxt in 2025 (with Daniel Roe)
    • Volta
    • Nuxt UI *
    • Nuxt Governance
    • Nuxt Studio
    • NuxtHub
    • Laravel Vapor
    • Cloudflare
    • DejaVue #E051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto)
    • Strapi


    Your Hosts

    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    1 hr and 1 min
  • Motion for Vue (with Matt Perry)

    Motion for Vue (with Matt Perry)
    May 15 2025

    In this episode of DejaVue, Michael and Alex chat with Matt Perry, the creator of Motion (formerly Framer Motion), about animations in web development.
    Matt talks about his journey from designing gaming magazines as a kid to becoming a full-time developer, sharing his experiences with ActionScript, jQuery, and how Motion was born. They discuss how simple and powerful Motion's API is, its ability to work with different frameworks, and how it stacks up against other animation libraries like GSAP and AnimeJS.


    But the episode also covers a lot of open source aspects, such as the challenges of keeping Motion going!
    Matt explains how Motion+ funds the development of Motion with one-time payments and time-gated (then publicly available) content, to support the project.


    Enjoy the episode!


    Our Guest

    Matt Perry

    • Motion
    • Personal Website
    • Bluesky
    • Twitter

    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (01:20) - How did you get into programming?
    • (05:18) - Adobe ActionScript
    • (08:33) - What is Motion (fka. Framer Motion)?
    • (12:21) - APIs and Limitations
    • (16:54) - Prerequisites for using Tools
    • (24:26) - The jQuery of web animations
    • (26:37) - The birth of Motion
    • (31:02) - Motion for Vue
    • (32:40) - Other "Motion for ..." adaptations?
    • (34:36) - Funding the project - Motion+
    • (40:00) - One-time Payment and Time-gating
    • (50:39) - Thoughts on other ways of monetizing Motion
    • (52:43) - Can AI replace animation libraries?
    • (57:41) - The difference between Motion and other libraries
    • (01:01:04) - Closing Thoughts


    Links and Resources


    • ActionScript
    • ECMAScript
    • Popmotion
    • Motion
    • Motion Vue
    • Rick (Motion Vue maintainer)
    • Framer
    • DejaVue #054 - Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)
    • GSAP
    • AnimeJS


    Your Hosts

    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • Snapshot Testing and Beyond (with The Jared Wilcurt)

    Snapshot Testing and Beyond (with The Jared Wilcurt)
    Apr 22 2025

    In this episode of DejaVue, Alex and Michael are joined by Jared Wilcurt, UI architect and open source contributor, to get knee-deep into the world of testing in Vue.js, especially Snapshot Testing.


    Jared shares his journey from React frustration to Vue enthusiasm, and explains how he identified gaps in Vue's testing ecosystem that led to the creation of his Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer library.
    No matter if you are a testing novice, wondering why you should bother with tests at all, or an experienced developer looking to improve your snapshot testing workflow, this episode got something for you - from reducing test noise, improving readability, and gaining confidence in your Vue applications and components.


    Discover how snapshot testing complements traditional assertion-based tests and why it might be the missing piece in your testing strategy.


    Enjoy the episode!


    Our Guest

    The Jared Wilcurt

    • Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
    • Website
    • Bluesky
    • Twitter

    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (00:20) - How did you get into Programming?
    • (05:20) - Learning Vue
    • (09:46) - Finding gaps in the ecosystem
    • (12:40) - What is unit testing?
    • (21:40) - Testing in the frontend
    • (25:31) - Snapshot Testing
    • (29:45) - Snapshot Updating Fatigue
    • (36:09) - Responsibilities & ROI of a Snapshot Test
    • (42:46) - Using the Snapshot Serializer
    • (46:40) - Snapshot vs. Visual Regression Testing
    • (52:57) - A good tip from Daniel Roe
    • (53:50) - Further Noise Reduction
    • (01:01:22) - A tighter integration?
    • (01:05:11) - Wrapping up


    Links and Resources


    • Riot JS
    • Vue Indy Meetup
    • Vue Doxen
    • Old Jest Snapshot Serializer
    • Vue Test Utils
    • Testing Library Vue
    • Playwright
    • Vue 3 Snapshot Serializer
    • DejaVue #E043 - The Year in ReVue (with Daniel Roe)


    Your Hosts

    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    1 hr and 7 mins
  • e18e: Ecosystem Performance (with James Garbutt)

    e18e: Ecosystem Performance (with James Garbutt)
    Apr 13 2025
    In this episode of DejaVue, Alex sits down with James Garbutt, open source maintainer and lead of the e18e initiative. James shares his journey from writing web scrapers as a teenager to maintaining critical JavaScript libraries like parse5 or Chokidar and eventually co-creating the ecosystem performance initiative.The conversation is then all around e18e, which aims to improve performance across the JavaScript ecosystem through three pillars:Cleaning up dependency treesSpeeding up popular packagesCreating lighter alternatives to bloated librariesJames explains how the community-driven approach has produced impressive results all across the web development landscape.Learn about real-world examples of performance improvements, including replacement packages like tinyglobby and nano-staged, and discover how to contribute to e18e even if you're new to open source. James shares also insights on balancing between backward compatibility and performance, bundling dependencies, and also shares future plans for e18e in 2025.Enjoy the episode!Our GuestJames "43081j" Garbutte18eWebsiteBlueskyChapters(00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue (00:34) - Which libraries do you maintain? (02:10) - How did you get into programming? (04:57) - What lead you to Vue.js (06:40) - Not ending up in a framework bubble (09:41) - Meta frameworks converging (11:28) - What is e18e? (15:40) - The purpose of e18e (18:27) - How to participate? (20:38) - Are there prerequisites? (23:59) - Ripple effects from e18e improving the ecosystem (26:36) - Helping other projects migrate (30:27) - Considering backwards compatibility (35:50) - Example for replacement packages (37:56) - tinyglobby (40:40) - Edge cases and modular architecture (43:49) - Performance pattern and anti pattern (45:32) - Bundling dependencies (50:48) - What is planned for e18e in 2025? (56:39) - How do you lead and structure the e18e initiative? (01:01:42) - Anything else we didn't cover? (01:02:21) - Wrapping upLinks and ResourcesParse5Doom in TypeScriptFlappy Bird in TSLitElementSpeeding up the ecosystem blog post series by Marvin Hagemeistere18e issue overviewe18e Discordminizlib install size improvementsStorybook dependency tree reductione18e module replacement repositoryAnthony Fu's node_modules inspectorPublint by Bjorn LuUmbrella CLInano-staged (instead of lint-staged)npm-run-all2eslint-import-plugin-x (instead of eslint-plugin-import)tinyglobby (instead of any other glob lib like globby/fast-glob)fdirVite Devtools announcementBundling dependencies (and when not to do it)A lighter Nuxt CLIYour HostsAlexander LichterBlueskyYouTubeWebsite---Links marked with * are affiliate links. We get a small commission when you register for the service through our link. This helps us to keep the podcast running. We only include affiliate links for services mentioned in the episode or that we use ourselves.
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    1 hr and 3 mins
  • Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)

    Open Source Sustainability (with Daniel Roe, Chad Whitacre & Rijk van Zanten)
    Apr 6 2025

    Join hosts Michael Thiessen and Alexander Lichter for a special episode of DejaVue - a fascinating panel discussion on open source sustainability with three open source enthusiasts:

    • Daniel Roe (Nuxt Team Lead),
    • Chad Whitacre (Head of Open Source at Sentry), and
    • Rijk van Zanten (CTO and co-founder of Directus).


    The panelists dive deep into what sustainability truly means in open source and get deep into the weeds of different licensing models, debating whether open source functions as a gift economy, and discuss the challenges of project governance.


    The panel also discusses important questions about leadership structures in open source projects, the role of companies in funding development, and practical ways everyone can contribute to making the ecosystem more sustainable - whether financially or through other meaningful contributions.


    Enjoy the episode!


    Our Guests

    Daniel Roe - Nuxt Team Lead

    • Bluesky
    • Web

    Chad Whitacre - Head of Open Source at Sentry

    • Bluesky
    • Twitter
    • Web


    Rijk van Zanten - CTO and co-founder of Directus

    • Bluesky
    • Twitter
    • Web


    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (04:06) - What is Open Source Sustainability
    • (12:51) - Open Source as a gift economy
    • (19:20) - The Projects and their Licenses
    • (29:50) - Sentry is not Open Source
    • (34:53) - Open Source Definition and OSI
    • (37:09) - Why people adopt open source software?
    • (39:44) - Open Source Governance
    • (47:50) - Stewarding an open source team
    • (52:22) - Open Source Leadership
    • (55:40) - What can YOU do to help open source?


    Links and Resources


    • Mastering Nuxt*
    • xkcd on standards
    • Jacob Kaplan-Moss: Paying Maintainers is Good
    • Sentry
    • Directus
    • Nuxt
    • BSL
    • Fair Source
    • MIT
    • AGPL
    • OSI
    • BDFL
    • Nuxt Governance
    • Open Source Steward in the CRA
    • Daniel Roe: Contributing to Nuxt
    • Open Source Pledge


    Your Hosts

    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    1 hr
  • New Releases: Nuxt 3.16 and Nuxt UI 3

    New Releases: Nuxt 3.16 and Nuxt UI 3
    Mar 28 2025

    Nuxt 3.16 dropped and it's packed with goodies! In this episode, Alex and Michael break down all the cool stuff in this release that'll make your Nuxt development smoother.


    They dive into the new command to initialize a Nuxt application, the performance-game-changing lazy hydration support that'll boost your app's performance, and named layer aliases (that you've been waiting for). Plus, huge performance improvements, better error messages with Nitro 2.11 and debugging improvements that'll save you hours of head-scratching.


    But wait, there's more! The duo also geeks out over Nuxt UI v3, which (surprise!) now works with plain Vue.js too - not just Nuxt. Learn how it leverages Tailwind v4, introduces a sweet CSS variables-based design system, and builds on Reka UI primitives for better accessibility. And somehow, a discount code for Nuxt UI Pro* *cough DEJAVUE cough* gets snuck in there too!


    Enjoy the episode!


    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Intro
    • (00:54) - Nuxt 3.16 Feature Overview
    • (01:27) - A new way to initialize Nuxt projects
    • (07:06) - Lazy Hydration in Nuxt
    • (16:05) - Named Layer Aliases
    • (17:45) - Lines of Code vs. Complexity
    • (20:16) - What a new Nitro minor brings to the table
    • (21:33) - Fine-grained debugging options
    • (23:25) - Nuxt Devtools v2
    • (25:47) - Faster module resolution (and faster boot up time)
    • (27:39) - Using OXC to speed up component parsing
    • (28:58) - Benchmark performance improvements
    • (31:43) - Nuxt UI v3
    • (40:58) - Sneak peek at next weeks episode 👀
    • (41:17) - Suggest a new slogan!


    Links and Resources


    • Mastering Nuxt is out now!*
    • Nuxt UI*
    • Get 20% OFF Nuxt UI PRO* with discount code DEJAVUE


    • Nuxt 3.16 blog post
    • Vue implementing Lazy Hydration
    • Nuxt Lazy Hydration PR
    • Lazy Hydration in-depth
    • More about Nuxt Layers
    • Revamping data fetching in Nuxt PR
    • Nitro 2.11
    • Youch
    • Harlan's PR to speed up module resolution
    • OXC PR
    • Rolldown-vite
    • CodSpeed
    • Tailwind Variants


    Your Hosts

    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    42 mins
  • Visualizing Data in Vue (with Dennis Adriaansen)

    Visualizing Data in Vue (with Dennis Adriaansen)
    Mar 21 2025

    In episode 52 of DejaVue (yes, it is a whole year), Dennis Adriaansen joins Michael and Alex to discuss data visualization in Vue.js. Dennis shares insights about building chart components, his experience with different charting libraries, and introduces his own Vue charting library. They explore topics like chart customization, performance considerations, and integrating charts into dashboards.

    The conversation also gets into broader topics such as open source sustainability, UI libraries, and backend integrations with Nuxt.

    Enjoy the episode!


    Our Guest

    Dennis Adriaansen

    • Vue Chart Library
    • X
    • BSky


    Chapters

    • (00:00) - Welcome to DejaVue
    • (00:33) - A year of DejaVue
    • (01:20) - Another announcement from Michael
    • (02:52) - How did you get into programming?
    • (07:07) - Would people choose Vue more if it was more popular?
    • (11:37) - Podcasts and Hot Takes
    • (19:03) - Why charts?
    • (21:05) - How do you get started with building chart components?
    • (23:39) - What was your use case for charts?
    • (25:16) - What does Unovis provide?
    • (29:31) - Why not other Chart Libraries?
    • (34:34) - Performance of Charts
    • (38:48) - A tiny Vapor update
    • (40:40) - Which Charts does your library support?
    • (44:10) - When do you do Open Source?
    • (45:05) - Open Source Funding & Contributions
    • (49:47) - What makes a good Dashboard?
    • (52:03) - Which backend do you use with Nuxt?
    • (58:41) - Do you have a preferred UI library?
    • (01:01:43) - Where can people find you?


    Links and Resources


    • DejaVue #051 - Vite Inside Out (with Matias "Patak" Capeletto)
    • Mastering Nuxt*
    • DejaVue #E049 - The Fusion of Laravel and Vue (with Aaron Francis)
    • DejaVue #E041 - The Quadruple Migration (with Rijk van Zanten)
    • D3.js
    • Tremor Labs
    • chart.js
    • Unovis
    • Dennis' Nuxt error dashboard
    • Vapor Playground
    • Reading Vue Vapor
    • Vue Chrts (Dennis' Lib)
    • Open Source Pledge
    • BBF Pattern
    • zod
    • valibot
    • Standard Schema
    • Nuxt UI*
    • Inspira UI
    • Reka UI


    Your Hosts

    Alexander Lichter

    • Bluesky
    • YouTube
    • Website


    Michael Thiessen

    • Twitter
    • YouTube
    • Website


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    1 hr and 3 mins